An Interview With Kim Ouwroulis

 

A little over three weeks ago I posted a piece regarding Kim Ouwroulis. Kim filed a complaint last month with the Human Rights Tribunal of Ontario, alleging the owner of the New Locomotion club where she stripped, fired her because she was too old.

Kim got hold of The Mayor and further explained her side of the story. Intrigued, I asked Kim if she would be interested in an interview. She agreed, and here we are.

To let you know, I emailed Kim a series of questions which she answered and sent back, via electronic mail, or *email*. I then took Kim’s answers and sent some follow up questions and she sent them back. That ends the technicalities of how I got the answers from Kim.

What you are about to read is an unaltered interview I conducted with Kimberlee Ouwroulis. I copied and pasted Kim’s answers and didn’t change a word.

Instead of just delving into the Human Right’s complaint Kim launched, I decided to ask some preliminary questions to get a feel for who Kimberlee Ouraoulis really is and what she is made of. That’s what crack-reporting Mayor’s do, we ask questions, we get to the bottom of things.

It’s a long interview, there are many questions, but thing I can guarantee you is: This interview is going to blow your fucking mind.

The Mayor–Kimberlee, I’d like to thank you for agreeing to do this interview with me, and for taking the time to answer the upwards of 500 questions I have for you. Let’s start off by finding out a little about you–tell us a little bit about yourself, what you like, where you grew up, etc.

I LIKE DANCING & Music.  I grew up in the u.s. , but born in Canada .

Mayor–What brought you to Canada?

Born In Canada ; moved to us. and back here in 80’s, to be closer to family

Mayor–You mentioned to me previously in an email, that you had a life-altering accident when you were younger. Can you tell me a bit about that?

Sadly; both my mother & stepfather were killed about 18 year ago, in a head on car crash.  I survived my injuries; which caused me at the time to recover in a wheel chair for a number of weeks; then later cruthes; and physio.  There were numerous injuries; not to mention shock.  Time has helped in that regard.  For me, dancing is an accomplishment and means more to me because of my life experience.  I bring alot to the table, socially

 

The above situation in my life; gives me greater empathy to others and in the bar environment you hear various stories at times; about very personal things that customers do share.  I have actually dealt with customers that were suicidal when I met them.  

Mayor–It would be especially bad if they were suicidal after  you met them…but that’s neither here nor there. Let’s talk stripping. Is Kimberlee your stage name? If not, what is, and, what are your three songs you dance to? 

I dance to Classic Rock; and new Rock; all types of music; My stage name was Kristy.

Mayor–Why did you get into stripping–why did you get into stripping at 40? (I think it was forty, was it 38?) 

Firstly in person; most people think I’m in my 30’s. So, life’s circumstances like a divorce etc., caused me to need my own income immediately.  I started as a waitress first; and management & customers suggested I dance instead.  It’s took me a year to convince myself that I should try it.  I was good at it.

Mayor–What % of stripper watching men would you consider to be pigs? Can you give us some examples of bizarre male behaviour at the ripper clubs?

*writing a book about it now* Seriously; most of my experiences with men are amazing.  I click with most of the guys I’ve danced for; and it’s all about a good time.!  Every single guy is different; but I just don’t think of guys as p.i.g.s….not even after 4 years!  I have to be thankful that these guys are in the bars…so bring them in….!  Worry about the grab factor later..is my attitude.

Mayor–What about the guys on pervert row–you must have a story about those cats?

Mostly it is young guys who sit in the front row…they just want to have fun…so yes; they jump up on stage and lay on their backs; and then I do my thing…which is funny where I grab the cash with my boobs.  My new boobs; 

Mayor–Don’t you think $20 is a ridiculous price for a lap dance?

We are talking about full nudity!  Up close and personal…for a number of minutes…no, it’s worth it.  The most I ever did for one man was 65 dances; and he tipped me as well.It was the cleanest dancing; don’t get me wrong; so at the time it was the credit card record, the manager told me as I was paid!

Mayor–From a marketing standpoint though, don’t you think it would be profitable and smart if, for $20, you threw in a bag of mints, or a delicious Toblerone bar?

Remember now; in Canada ; things are abit different than the states.  Example we are way more crazy up here…just kidding…seriously we are more Liberal shall we say; so we let guys touch us you know…..

Mayor–I’ve always heard that there is a great # of strippers that are whacked out on blow at any given time. Is this true? 

Not true!  Each club is unique; I’ve danced at several bars, which include Houston , Tx. Aug .  I don’t know what girls problems could or could not be; most are professional women just trying to earn a living in the business. 

Mayor–Things have radically changed then, cuz in the 80’s, if you were a stripper, you basically had a straw hanging out of your nose 24/7. I believe you though, but let’s move on. What *enhancements* have you gotten over the course of your life?

I’m not going to lie and say I didn’t buy the latest boobs…!  That was a big plus for me!  I love my new boobs they are about 2 years old, and worth a fortune!

Mayor–I’m glad you’re happy with them, may you have many fun years together before they start leaking.

 

If a tree fell in the forest, would it make a noise?

wtf

Mayor—A tree, a forest, noise?

wtf

Mayor–Through your eyes, how do you see yourself physically and mentally? How do you think other people, whether friends or patrons, view you?

I’m 5′5″ I weight 115 lbs size 3/4!  Green eyes; platinum blond hair; and yes I wear all sorts of costumes which include wigs….!  I do that because it’s fun getting into character; and dress-up; and I don’t ruin my own hair which is like a 60’s flight attendent right now…I have a pic., but I’m naked…so I don’t know if your viewers would be interested…get back to me.

Mayor–I hear your answer, but how do YOU perceive yourself?

Some customers love me; I guess some don’t I don’t focus on the guys I don’t dance for I concentrate on the people who think I’m hot…and believe me they let me know. 

Mitch- this is a hard one; i am like a chamelion…(I can’t spell) but do type 90 words per min. if you know anyone that needs some typing..just kidding…but I do type 90 words per min.

 

Mitch; people don’t know me; nobody in the world really knows me.  Do you understand that I’ve been on my own since I was 24 or something; with dead parents…I have grandparents that are 90 years old.  They are farmers…!  They have a different last name than me.  My Grandfather is Scottish; Grandmother Welsh;) Dad Macedonian; I grew up in in North America as a Canadian; and an American.  I see myself as someone who loves this continent!  i am patriotic; and I’d throw myself on a bomb first so that others wouldn’t get hurt.   (this is not an exaggeration)  i would give my own life up..this instant…to prevent terrorists for example from harming others.!

 

 I’m an orphan who has nearly slipped thru the cracks as it is..and people don’t care about Stripper orphans….well I shouldn’t say they don’t care…they just want to pick on my looks.

Mr. Sit threw me out on the street….with no warning, and no regard….he could have come to me in person; and said that he’d like to have younger girls in this bar of his; and then he could have said go to another bar; and I would have said…o.k.  you or this world…would have never known me in any way.  I would have danced happily for about 2 more years and then become a black jack dealer..or something!

 

i see myself as honest; and i would pass a lie detector test about anything i have ever said to you…and i would pass on every single thing i said about possible terrorists meeting at JOhn Sits bars back in o6…!   i would pass on anything i said in writing here; or in my draft letter to the tribunal…i see myself as honest.  I am fighting for my right to retire when I want; not when Mr. Sit wants…and you know what…every single bar that I went tooooo…..all let me work!  After I was fired…there are many many clubs that will let me dance there…because they think I look good enough!  Not all owners are the same you know….some are nice.  The one I have now is very nice so far….very nice indeed!  The managers too…nothing like Mr. Sit; who treated us like garbage. 

Mayor–Regarding the suit you filed at the CHRC: Previous to being fired, how did you view the owner of the club?  Were you were contracted out by him? Yearly? Monthly? What was the arrangement with him financially?

- I perceived him as the owner of the club…nothing more; nothing less

  I never interacted with him over the years at all.  I would notice he would come in look around; meet & greet and try to seat customers on occasion; or when he came into the locker -room and started telling us what to do…etc.

 

There are no such real contracts; you either do shows; and are paid (like I was in 07 most of the year) at another bar Mr. Sit owns.  When I was fired i was freelancing; paid 30 bucks to be in the bar; and yes i paid every single time!  I made money; so I continued to stay for close to 6 months; then; the internet gossip page about another dancer being old…next thing the guy is firing all older women that week!  Three at that location.

Mayor–If you were paying $30 each night, and you weren’t on contract, isn’t it his prerogative to let you go when he wants? Why is he obligated to keep you around?

Mr. Sit; is not obligated to do anything…Mr. Sit. can’t walk into a bar; and say “your old…get out” essentially that is what he did…..ordered his managers to do the firing…and told us girls..me that is…that he and I am quoting him now ‘I FIRED ALL THE OLDER GIRLS….AND HE LISTED THEM, NAME BY NAME….(i HAVE A WITNESS) WHO WILL TESTIFY TO THIS AT TRIBUNAL…ALSO…THAT WITNESS KNOWS THAT I FOLLOWED MR. SIT TO ONE BAR LOCATION IN MY JEEP; AND THEN I WAS ON THE PHONE…TALKING TO HIM LONG DISTANCE…AND GOT OUT OF THE CAR…AND mr. sit is trying to deny even talking tome he’s such a liar.

 

it is against the laws of basic human rights; to fire anyone…based on the reason he gave me…mr. sit. Mr. Sit happened to fire 3 men; these men are suing him for wrongful dismissal at present. l Mr. Sit apparently discriminates equally…….his business was doing better when I was there….I’ve heard it has been dead there!  the day i got fired I had 730 bucks I made in 5 hours..so how could I hurt sits business at New locomotion; if I wasn’t doing well.

 

-you know I can go to the bank; show the money; the deposits; it’s very easy to prove I made that money Mitch…also….

 

-human rights covers every person; in the country; doesn’t matter if they are working or not; you can’t violate human rights. Apparently the human Rights department do feel that Mr. Sit violated mine; and the other girls…and that is why they are taking the case.

 

HUMAN RIGHTS DOESN’T ‘F’ AROUND…IN THIS COUNTRY!  THIS IS SERIOUS…IF HE HAS DONE THIS TO ME…WHAT i ASK MYSELF HAS HE DONE TO OTHERS THAT I DON’T KNOW. MABE I IN FACT DO KNOW ALOT THAT I ACTUALLY CAN’T TELL YOUR READERS.  YOU WILL JUST HAVE TO HAVE BLIND TRUST ON THIS.  iT IS NOT MY ‘JOB; TO POINT THE FINGER AT SIT; FOR WHAT HE LIKELY DID TOO OTHERS; I ONLY KNOW THAT HE TOLD ME “HE FIRED ALL THE OLDER GIRLS”…BLA BLA BLA.  noT COOL!

Mayor–Do you see any distinction between being fired for being too old and being fired for looking too old? 

Well; I know from my own judgments; and believe me; I’m hard on myself; it’s unfortunate that the first mississagua news pic., was terrible; I was told to ‘look angry’ and that it would only be a head shot…, I thought it would be printed that way; & I had no clue that other newspapers would pick it up; what has happened was shocking.

Remember, for me; It was age related; (not looks related)  I wasn’t told you are ugly get out; I was told by the owner “I fired all the older girls….and listed them…name by name” he has denied that of course..but he knows what he said.  He does have an accent; but I heard him clearly!

You got to remember I had lots of conversations with lots of different managers; and was told all sorts of things that were about new directions for the bars, looking for younger girls, that managers were too afraid to speak with him to fight for my job; because he might fire alot of other older girls…so there are so many examples;

Mayor–I’m not a stripper bar kind of guy, I’m more of a guy that likes to read the Psalms with his family while enjoying a hot cup of cocoa,  but I would think that an owner of a strip bar would want to stack the bar with young girls. Does that make sense? Financially, that makes sense, oui?

YOUNG GIRLS DON’T ALWAYS MAKE THE MOST CASH. IT IS JUST THAT SIMPLE; THERE IS NO TENSION IN THE BARS BETWEEN YOUNG AND MATURE DANCERS…THE FACT IS THAT FROM WHAT i SAW; AT THAT LOCATION; THE OLDER GIRLS WERE MAKING MORE MONEY!  EVERY CUSTOMER IS DIFFERENT; SOME ONLY WANT REALLY YOUNG GIRLS…SOME WANT MATURE GIRLS….

 

THE FACT IS; MR. SIT HAS AT HIS BAR ACCORDING TO A CUSTOMER OF MINE; ALOT OF CHUBBY GIRLS…..I NOTICED IT ALSO; I USED TO THINK; WOW; THE CELLULITE ON THOSE 20 YEAR OLD GIRLS WAS BAD…i’M LIKE 20 YEARS OLDER AND I DON’T HAVE THAT…..AND HONESTLY; AT MR. SITS BARS….THERE ISN’T 1 SINGLE 20 YEAR OLD THAT i’D TRADE BODIES WITH…NOT ONE!  i SEEN MANY GIRLS…AND EVEN WITH A SCAR ON MY LIP OR A SCAR ON MY HIP….I WOULDN’T TRADE THOSE YOUNGER GIRLS FOR MY BODY….NOT ONE! 

Mayor–What exactly are you looking for from the CHRC–other than the 100K?

This is not a law-suit; Everyone is calling the Human Rights complaint a lawsuit; because the reporter added that on his own.  I just told him what I was making each week in the months before I was fired from the New Locomotion.  That was 2 grand or so…Human Rights award special damages for :  Age Discrimination, Wrongful Dismissal, Humiliation in the Workplace; posioned work environment; lost income; and then I guess amounts can add up…

 

It’s not about the money for me any more…it’s way past that., but it is important to consider of course; and yes there has been a loss of income., which I have continued to work in a new bar and build my clients. 

Mayor–If I’m not mistaken, Kimberlee, a lawsuit is a civil action brought before a court in which the party starting the action, the plaintiff seeks a legal or equitable remedy. Technically, it’s a suit.

Apparently this is not a civil action…..(I was raised by a minister who said” it is not really right to sue people the way he noticed that everyone would sue each other in the u.s.a. for example.  My step father taught us not to sue people…..So having said that; I will give you an examle…when my step father was killed by an asshole who decided to hit his kids int he back seat instead of drive his car…..he killed Dave; my step father instantly; and mom died later that night; while I was fighting for my life.  So When my lawyers…who had to sue the insurance company insisted that I sue the Chysler corporation; I decided that it was not proper.  YOU SEE THE AIR BAGS DID NOT DEPLOY IN THE CAR…AND THE CAR MALFUCTIONED…BUT IF THOSE AIRBAGS WENT OFF; MY MOTHER WOULD BE ALIVE…….I DID NOT WANT TO FIGHT WITH CHRSLER CORPORTION AND HAVE THOSE PEOPLE LOOSE THEIR JOBS…BECAUSE OF IT; THAT IS THE WAY I WAS RAISED.

 

SO; MR. SIT; HAS A HUMAN RIGHTS COMPLAINT; AND IF THEY FIND HIM GUILTY OF DISCRIMINATION; IT WILL BE A FINE; AND HE WILL HAVE TO PAY THE FINE….I DON’T KNOW THE NUMBERS….TO EXPECT WHEN THEY FIND HIM GUILTY..ALL I WANT TO DO IS DANCE FOR A COUPLE OF MORE YEARS.  I WANTED TO STOP MR. SIT FROM EVERY THROWING PEOPLE OUT LIKE GARBAGE….ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY ARE MAKING HIM MORE MONEY NOT LESS!

 

It’s not about the money for me any more…it’s way past that., but it is important to consider of course; and yes there has been a loss of income., which I have continued to work in a new bar and build my clients

Mayor–If the owner apologized and let you strip again in his club, would you drop the suit?

It’s not a law-suit.  No, I’d never want to go back to his bars.  I’ve heard rumors about how he’s already slandered me; and lied about me; from numerous sources. 

Mayor–How long did it take you to find work after being fired from Sit’s place?

WELL I WENT HOME AND CRIED FIRST.  LASTED FOR ABOUT 1 WEEK OF STRAIGHT CRYING; AND THEN I FELT SO OLD…AND SO HORRIBLE ABOUT MYSELF THAT I HAD TO RE-GROUP…AND THEN I WENT TO A BAR; AND WORKED THERE; BUT THAT BAR WASN’T VERY BUSY NIGHT AFTER NIGHT; AND IT WAS HARD…SO I TRIED ANOTHRER, AND THAT BAR; HAD LOTS OF INTERNAL PROBLEMS; THEN MORE BARS…UNTIL i FOUND ONE THAT i COULD MAKE MONEY IN….AND NOW i AM MAKING MONEY; BUT NOTHING LIKE i DID BEFORE.!

Mayor–Do you think age discrimination can ever be a legitimate factor in being fired? For instance, if a firefighter was 95 years old, do you still think it should/would be age discrimination if the fire chief told the old cooter to beat it?

AT THIS POINT; I JUST CAN’T ANSWER BECAUSE I’M CRYING!

Mayor—Would you like a Kleenex—an inhaler—or a machine that will hook you up with tubes and wires?

I’m fine, thank you.

Mayor—You’re an American, you might know this: do you know where they hid Jimmy Hoffa’s body?

I’ve heard rumors….but I’m taking the 5th on that one

Mayor–One last thing–Who is your favourite Mayor in the world–I’ll let you think about this one for a second.

Look; I don’t know anything about your town; all I know is that some people said some bad stuff about me; but look at the pics., taken last week and don’t be so quick to judge.  So I will have to vote on my favorite internet Mayor after I see the website.

Mayor–I hate judgmental people. I’d like to take them to a room and force them to watch Bette Midler movies. The thing I hate the most is intolerance, when I find someone who is intolerant, or generally doesn’t agree with my views, I fist fight them until they learn that intolerance has no place in this civil society.

YA; i GUESS WE ALL HAVE KARMIC LESSONS TO LEARN; YOU KNOW; AND I KNOW THAT AS A DANCER; I AM JUDGED ALL THE TIME; AND MY BANK ACCOUNT PROVES THAT  I WAS GOOD AT WHAT I DO..OR AM GOOD AT WHAT i DO.

Mayor–Again, thanks for your time, I appreciate it–would you like to add anything?

Thank you for the interview; and god bless you!

Clicky here for the original Kim Ouwroulis post that started this ball rolling

9 Responses to “An Interview With Kim Ouwroulis”

  1. Reg Says:

    Two words: Pulitzer Prize!

  2. The Mayor Says:

    Sorry I couldn’t respond earlier, Reg, I was on the phone with some folks at CNN.

  3. The Mayor Says:

    Man, the spambots were busy last night.

  4. Gary K. Says:

    Hey Mayor, are you planning an interview with Ms. Hall or Ms. Lynch soon?

    If they forward you any pics similiar to Ms. Ouwroulis’ striking poses, I would ask that you do not display them.
    I would hate to spew chunks of Campbell’s Chunky(R) New England Clam Chowder all over my new laptop.

    Thankyou.

  5. The Mayor Says:

    Gary–I think Canadian taxpayers have suffered enough. I promise you that if I get any pics from hall or lynch, they will only adorn my dartboard.

  6. Kimberlee Says:

    Hi; thanks for being nice at least on this website;
    Kimberlee

  7. Sisyphus Says:

    Kim Ouwroulis fails to understand what “AT WILL EMPLOYMENT” means.

    There is no “right” to retire when you want. It doesn’t exist.

    Inserting the word “basic” alongside “human rights” adds nothing. Keeping a job you like is not a “right.” I’ve busted my ass for years earning a Bachelor’s and a Juris Doctor (law degree). I’ve accumulated tens of thousands of dollars of debt, unable to make any major purchases. I’ve applied to nearly two thousand places of employment, yet have spent years being unemployed.

    Sadly, there are many people in my position, people who have sacrificed the best years of their life, people who mortgaged their futures, so they could better themselves and their families. There are no guarantees.

    Meanwhile, this whiner who hasn’t made a fraction of the sacrifices many people make, who can barely type, who has zero punctuation skills, who thinks selling her sexuality (in her FORTIES) a proper way of earning a living, and who COULD work at another club, is filing a compliant at a thuggish organization because the OWNER does not want to employ her. And she’s hiding behind an oppressive group of leftist charlatans to get what she wants.

    So long as one’s bank account is in good shape, apparently that is all that matters. But Kim wants us to believe that this spectacle is not about money. Dishonesty is not a virtue.

    Yes, we do have Karmic lessons to learn, Kim. After getting all this publicity, I cannot imagine any strip club owner ever wanting to hire you. Only a person with no business sense would take the risk.

  8. Confessions of a Canadian Stripper » Blog Archive » Kimberlee The Canadian Stripper Does Mitchieville Says:

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  9. Bobby jo Says:

    Having known Kim for about a year now, I’m Appauled at seeing her taken advantage of in the interview.The picture’s don’t do her justice and the fat fuk’s from Mitchieville have no clue wtf they are talking about…

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