Critically Ill Canadian Baby Sent To Buffalo For Treatment

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A critically ill Hamilton baby has been sent to a hospital in Buffalo, NY, because there are no neonatal beds available in Southern Ontario. To make matters worse, the parents are not allowed into Buffalo because they don’t have passports:

Hamilton’s neonatal intensive care unit (NICU) was full when Ava Isabella Stinson was born 14 weeks premature at St. Joseph’s Hospital Thursday at 12:24 p.m.

A provincewide search for an open NICU bed came up empty, leaving no choice but to send the two-pound, four-ounce preemie to Buffalo that evening.

Her parents, Natalie Paquette and Richard Stinson, couldn’t follow their baby because as of June 1, a passport is required to cross the border into the United States.

Hamilton Centre MP David Christopherson is working to arrange emergency passports but that will take until at least Monday afternoon. The situation is made more complicated by the fact the baby’s dad has a criminal record.

As the saying goes: Canada has the best health care system in the word — unless you get sick.

While the media is playing up the angle that if it wasn’t for that idiot George Bush and his ridiculous Patriot Act, the young family wouldn’t have needed passports and would be with their baby right now. Great angle, because it leaves out the fact that of about 300 hospitals in Southern Ontario, NOT ONE OF THEM HAS AN OPEN HOSPITAL BED FOR A CRITICALLY ILL BABY.

This is what *free* gets you. You wait in long lines for free, you wait 8 months for an MRI for free, you gets misdiagnosed for free, you get turned away from hospitals because they have no beds for free. Remember the hospital I first went to at Christmas last year? Remember how they didn’t have any doctors that could perform a simple appendix operation, or an ambulance to ship me out to another hospital?  And then when I got to the other hospital they couldn’t do the operation right away because they didn’t have an anesthesiologist or support staff to assist the doctor? At least it was free. 

This is what our American friends can look forward to as their country spirals toward socialized medicine. Trust The Mayor when he tells you that if crap & slave (cap & trade) doesn’t kill you, socialized medicine will.

And just to the point of the young couple that can’t enter the States because they don’t have passports: We have been told for two years now that we are going to need passports to enter the States as of July 1, 2009. Everyone and their mother knew that as of July 1st we will need passports to go south of the 49th. We have been repeatedly told. So when I hear that these poor kids didn’t have passports, it makes me think that they don’t have them because they didn’t want them.

Plus, the father is a criminal and can’t enter the States anyway. That’s not George Bush’s fault either.

Or maybe it is.

32 Responses to “Critically Ill Canadian Baby Sent To Buffalo For Treatment”

  1. Chris Says:

    Another socialized healthcare success!

  2. Fred Says:

    Nice bit of right wing agitprop.

    the United states is now a nation where approximately 100 million of it’s citizens are without health insurance(47 million is utter bullshit,promulgated by right wing f*ckstains to hide the enormity of teh crisis),the United States has one of the lowest life expectancies in the world,the United States has one of teh highest cancer rates in the world,and teh United states syre as hell doesn’t need right wing Canadian traitors working for the GOP.

  3. The Mayor Says:

    100 million? Sure. Why not 200 million? Or 300 million?

    The fact remains that socialized medicine is a huge, costly mistake. You and your friends at the daily kos might not understand that yet, but you will. When someone in your family needs treatment and has to wait six months for a simple proceedure, then you’ll start to get it. By then it will be too late, though.

    As for mental health, you might want to start working on getting yourself to a psychologist quick-smart. It’s obvious from your blinding hatred and insane rhetoric that you’ve gone over the edge.

    Hope and change yourself, Fred, for the sake of your family (if they still talk to you).

  4. Peter Omalley Says:

    What a bunch of crock. I’m 70 years old, Canadian and sick as a dog. I have not a problem getting care, and I’m still alive! You sir, don’t know what you’re talking about.

  5. The Mayor Says:

    Tell your story to the family in the article that has a critically ill daughter and can’t find care in Canada and had to go to the States. Maybe their story is a crock, too? Tell them that, tell them they’re full of shit.

    I’m glad you’ve had great care througout your life, but not everyone has a story as rosy as yours.

    Stop discounting peoples personal experiences.

    And your last name is Omalley and not O’Malley?

    Strange, I’ve never seen that version before in my 42 years on the planet.

    Are you sure you’re 70? Are you sure you’re Canadian?

  6. Andy Says:

    Mr. Mayor, thank you for posting this. I confess that I am scared spitless that Obama and Kennedy are going to get their way on this. And it is frightening. I know that the availability of care will degenerate…maybe not the quality, but maybe so.

    I am one of those “200 million” uninsured Americans (nyuk…good one). By choice! There are millions like me that choose to take our chances, and pay cash when we need service. I figure I’ve saved at least $150,000 in premiums, copays, etc. Of course, I’m not sure where it all went, but that’s another story.

    Thanks for ringing the alarm bell like you do.

  7. The Mayor Says:

    TY, Andy.

    I’m not saying Canadian healthcare is always garbage, because it isn’t. Fred (above) has decent coverage it seems. But on the other hand, look at the article with the critically ill baby. You hear stories like that ALL the time.

    I’m saying if the coverage here is so great, why are we shipping patients to the States?

    Even our politicians send their families to the States. Jean Cretien did, and he’s a liberal!

  8. Mugs Says:

    330 million people – “free” health care – and a government that think they can supply it….. LOL

    More power to ya ….

  9. Richard Evans Says:

    Fred is a liar… Obama’s own assertions have the number somewhere between 30-40 million… roughly 10% of the population which, coincidentally, matches the average unemployment rate. I wouldn’t mind having the health care debate if the proponents of state care weren’t such blatant liars.

  10. The Mayor Says:

    Agreed–and hearing the word agitprop from a liberal is above irony. These vermin lie through their teeth and will do anything to set their agenda upon us.

    Pox on their villages.

  11. Waitover There Says:

    Canadian passports have a processing fee of C$87.00 each plus paying for photos. American passports somewhat the same range. Not exactly a priority for families on a budget trying to make ends meet with no expectation of visiting the US.

  12. The Mayor Says:

    Right. It wasn’t their priority. They had other priorities.

  13. JR Says:

    An all-too-typical story. It’s also typical to have the likes of Peter (I’m-OK-Jack) Omalley put the blinders on when someone points out the deep flaws in it.

    Another thought (or two). Obama’s cap-and-trade is a giant tax grab which he needs to help pay for medicare. Both are massive redistribution schemes that bode ill for American prosperity – but which will help fulfill the egalitarian extremists’ dream of equal poverty and crappy healthcare for everyone. And what bodes ill for America bodes ill for the world.

    [via Blazing Cat Fur]

  14. orthodoc Says:

    From Fred:
    “Nice bit of right wing agitprop.

    the United states is now a nation where approximately 100 million of it’s citizens are without health insurance(47 million is utter bullshit,promulgated by right wing f*ckstains to hide the enormity of teh crisis),the United States has one of the lowest life expectancies in the world,the United States has one of teh highest cancer rates in the world,and teh United states syre as hell doesn’t need right wing Canadian traitors working for the GOP.”

    Fred, I’d take your argument seriously, but to do so would be to insult your intelligence.
    The 46 million quoted is nonsense: a quarter of those are illegal immigrants, a quarter are eligible for public insurance but didn’t sign up, a quarter make enough money to buy their own but don’t, and the rest are the deserving poor who need something done.

    The rest of your rant is not worth responding to.

    This from a Canuck-trained orthopaedic surgeon, now a proud right-wing f*ckstain.

  15. Jerry Says:

    I think your missing the point. The child is getting health care. I wonder what kind of care it would receive if its parents lived in Buffalo and didn’t have health insurance.

  16. The Mayor Says:

    Do you think an uninsured baby in Buffalo would receive worse care than a Canadian baby that was shipped off to Buffalo?

  17. nancy Says:

    Fred, If I agreed with you we would both be wrong.

    heh-heh ;)

    An unisured baby would get treatment equal to the insured one. That’s a fact.

  18. Mark Says:

    The child would receive the same level of care, insured or not insured. Yes, really.

    We in the US don’t have a health care problem, we have a problem with ‘insurance’ coverage… We have let major medical insurance morph into pre-paid health care.

  19. nancy Says:

    “Pre-paid health care” is an excellent way to describe it, and is expensive depending on the plan you choose. However, letting the government rewire the system, and paying for it with higher taxes…,not to mention their stellar record of efficiency,.. many believe will be a mistake.

    I don’t have any confidence in this administration.
    Nothing, nothing, nothing they do is aboveboard.

  20. symbiotix1110 Says:

    Wow! you seem to really dislike the Canadian Healthcare System, and that’s fine, no healthcare system is perfect. But if you dislike it so much, next time you get sick, want to see a doctor for an exam or need to get some surgery done, don’t go to a Canadian clinic or hospital cause lord knows how long you’ll have to wait. Why not buy your bus or plane ticket, travel to the US and enjoy their healthcare which I’m pretty sure you can afford. Fight the power of Socialism!

  21. The Mayor Says:

    Canadians have been conditioned to expect slow, inneficient service, and that’s why you get comments like that of symbiotix.

    Canadians expect their drive through Timmy’s to be there quick-smart or they freak out, but they have no problem waiting 8 months for an MRI.

    Every Canadian pays $5000 a year in taxes to support our bloated healthcare, but we’re not allowed to question the system. Seems insane, but it’s all true.

  22. Carin Says:

    It’s a shame Fred didn’t stick around. He was a hoot!

    Symbiotix doesn’t seem to understand that you are FORCED in Canada to pay for the system whether you are happy with it or not.

    Sigh. It’s just so disappointing that those “on the other side” are simply too lame to debate with.

  23. symbiotix1110 Says:

    Too lame? What does that mean? We lack the physical/mental capabilities to understand your side of it debate? I thought it was a debate, discussion of issues Carin not a war, an attack of each other through words. So why don’t you try explaining it, cause I honestly am interested in your argument Carin.

    Yes I agree Canadians are forced to pay for this system and I cant comment of the delivery speed. But in Calgary they got that private system, dunno if its still in place, but it was a good idea and at least the government is trying to provide faster and better healthcare, should at least recognize that. And it never happens instantly, intelligent people like you realize there’s other parts of Canada that needs money and with the size of the country, 2nd largest in the world, its hard to save enough with a population far less than the US but much larger than it.

    You mention no place to make complaints, I saw a poster for a new forum by the government asking peoples’ opinion on the current status of healthcare, use it! you got valid points, everyone on this discussion does! speak your mind, its people like you that can help make it better.

    I think someone mentioned the problem isn’t the delivery of healthcare, but the insurance companies getting in the way. I say the government should fix that then, make it easier to claim insurance, either way they gotta fix that system.

    For me personally I wouldn’t mind paying higher taxes if it meant getting quality services, i know you’ll say “but we’re not” and its true, lots of holes but we gotta try to fix it, society isn’t made up of individuals only trying to look after themselves, a “tough luck, your problem” society but a society where people work together for a common good and betterment, if that’s even a word.

    Take a look at Sweden or one of those Nordic countries, best healthcare system in the world, run on socialism system, Japan longest life expectancy based on gerontocracy, leadership and respect for elders, which can only come from a sense of togetherness. I think if we can use some of that togetherness we can make Canada a better place….but this is of course my opinion.

    Wow! alright that was long, sorry for the ramble, I’m done

  24. tudza Says:

    Ref: Mr O’Malley. He tells you his personal experience, which counters yours, and you tell him not to ignore personal experiences.

    Typical.

  25. The Mayor Says:

    He had no personal story, he just said he was sick — what was his ailment? Where does he live? What hospital did he go to?

    He didn’t provide any details.

    Grow up, troll.

  26. Sarcastos Says:

    None of you have any idea what your talking about, your listening to the hype. so one sick baby couldn’t get a bed, what about all the other ones who did. shut the fuck up and think for once, if you haven’t forgotten how to.

    And i live in Canada, and when i got hit in the head with a 9 iron (7 times) and i didn’t have to wait for my head to be scanned. i was in instantly.
    I’ve never met anyone who had to wait or been turned away. so when it happens one time, maybe don’t act like it happens all the time. It doesn’t.
    P.S. i’d turn that baby away too, creepy thing looks like it was born to eat the souls of real babies.

  27. Sarcastos Says:

    “Canadians have been conditioned to expect slow, inneficient service, and that’s why you get comments like that of symbiotix.

    Canadians expect their drive through Timmy’s to be there quick-smart or they freak out, but they have no problem waiting 8 months for an MRI.

    Every Canadian pays $5000 a year in taxes to support our bloated healthcare, but we’re not allowed to question the system. Seems insane, but it’s all true.”

    Mayor, are you Dick Cheney’s gay lover or something.
    Shut up before you make yourself sound even more ignorant.

  28. The Mayor Says:

    “P.S. i’d turn that baby away too, creepy thing looks like it was born to eat the souls of real babies.”

    I can see why someone pounded your head in with a 9 iron. Hopefully next time they’ll have their woods available.

    Sarcastos — if you’ve never met anyone who hasn’t waited for health care in Canada it’s because you don’t actually know anyone from Canada or you’re lying. I suspect it’s both.

    This site is for grown ups, move along and don’t come back.

    Symbiotix — thank you for your comment, it’s much appreciated. I’ll try to break down your comment piece by piece and comment on it that way.

    “But in Calgary they got that private system, dunno if its still in place”

    Private health care coverage is illegal in Canada, you have no choice.

    “You mention no place to make complaints, I saw a poster for a new forum by the government asking peoples’ opinion on the current status of healthcare, use it! you got valid points, everyone on this discussion does! speak your mind, its people like you that can help make it better.”

    The Canadian gov’t is great at issuing forms and setting up sites, but when it comes right down to it, we only have a system with one set of rules. Socialized medicine is a bottomless money pit. In Canada it’s the third rail, no government ever contemplates fixing the problem, only tossing more money so more government workers can be hired.

    The Ontario liberal gov’t came to power five years ago and said they were going to fix the problem of waiting times for emergency (the one Sarcastos says doesn’t exist), billions more has been spent since, but the waiting times are actually longer now.

    “For me personally I wouldn’t mind paying higher taxes if it meant getting quality services”

    Would you pay $5000 a year for better healthcare? If you would, then you would get what we have.

    One of the main problem with our system is that there is no incentive for the health care professionals to save money anywhere, or deliver services in a timely manner. Our best and brightest doctors go to the States to put up their shingle to escape the beaurocracy of gov’t interference.

    If the baby in the article was the only person to be sent to the States for treatment I wouldn’t have posted the article. But it’s not. Politicians send their families to the States, American businesses serve Canadian clients who are tired of waiting for services over here.

    Tens of thousands of Canadians every year go to the States for surgery, and for things like MRI’s etc.

    Our system is broken, and there’s not a politician alive that can fix it.

  29. Carin Says:

    For me personally I wouldn’t mind paying higher taxes if it meant getting quality services, i know you’ll say “but we’re not” and its true, lots of holes but we gotta try to fix it, society isn’t made up of individuals only trying to look after themselves, a “tough luck, your problem” society but a society where people work together for a common good and betterment, if that’s even a word.

    I would. Because it simply cannot happen. Healthcare is expensive, especially when incentives are kept so far away from cost.

    When the government pays for your healthcare, where is the incentive to contain costs on a personal level? They don’t exist. So, it is left to the government.

    I think the perfect system is one in which the TRULY indigent are on a public service (which will be, of course rationed – THAT is their incentive ….) and the productive members of society are able to chose which care they wish to join. A deluxe plan where they can pay $5000 a year and not have to worry about that $90 doc visit they make once a year or … a plan in which the citizen pays for visits and small emergencies, but catastrophes are covered.

    Honestly, we pay … about $700 a month. Do I “use” $700 a month? Doubt it.

  30. Brian Dunbar Says:

    I’ve had decent healthcare my entire life. Always had insurance, always had a doctor available. My wife’s life was saved by our very excellent cardio docs and staff – and the equally excellent post-op care.

    I’ve lived in the United States my entire life – bar three years when I was younger.

    And we – in our infinite wisdom – are about to take a system works for me and tens of millions like me and screw it up. Because it’s not perfect.

  31. nancy Says:

    Mayor,
    you should be pissed about having to drive yourself to another hospital. That’s evidence enough for me to believe that socialized medicine can result in half assed quality.
    A appendectomy may be a easy operation to but perform, but a burst appendix is fatal.
    At 16, my husband’s appendix did rupture, and for a week they didn’t know if he would survive. It was another six weeks before he could go home, and still another five months carrying a tube to drain the puss and poisons, and your hospital waved you off into the night? “Good luck with that appendix…sorry we couldn’t help you..hope you get there in time…don’t get lost…let us know how it turns out.”
    BS to that.

    Ask a retired US veteran, when they can choose, if they would rather have surgery, or treatment, in a a VA hospital (government bureaucracy) or a private one.
    I’m not cracking on VA doctors, staff, or their dedication, likewise your Canadian health professionals, but only comparing a private facility to a government one with red tape and limited resources.

    Back to Obama’s health plan,.. “We can choose to keep our private insurance”, but we have to will pay taxes on it, (in addition to more taxes to cover the great new plan), but union members insurance will exempt from taxes.
    Now, does that sound like a big, fat shit sandwich, or what?

  32. symbiotix1110 Says:

    Someone said they didn’t want to pay $700 a month for healthcare they probably would never use and its true most of us won’t use that much, but what about that do need to pay that much or even more, without the system in place they can’t afford it. Most of those who are sick are the poor or lower-class because they make up most of society. What are we going to do with the money we save anyways? buy a new house, maybe some extra spending money? why do we stop trying to make our own lives better and maybe help try giving someone a chance to live? isn’t it worth knowing you helped save a fellow Canadian, or at least fellow person?

    Now, I agree with The Mayor in saying basically healthcare industry has gotten lazy throwing money around, especially with the eHealth scandal, and hopefully such things can be worked out over time. But having universal healthcare, at its fundamental, is better than not having it cause, like i said, it provides healthcare to everyone, rich and poor.

    To those in the US who say they have had insurance all their lives and they’ve never had a problem with the current system, you folks are lucky. You have a great job that provides it for you and if not you make enough to buy it yourself, what about those who aren’t so fortunate? For those that haven’t had an increase in minimum wage in decades while inflation has continued to rise? Are you going to abandon your fellow Americans just so you wont have to pay more taxes?

    The US is the only developed country in the world to not have universal healthcare, which I is a huge disgrace to the once “forward-looking state” and you maybe thinking “well, if all the developed countries started allowing babies to drive would the US do the same? No they wouldn’t, only an idiot would react without thinking, any intelligent person would think first, do extensive research and weight the pros and cons; which is what all the developed countries have always done in any project.

    Yes there will be red tape and may take longer to get the quality healthcare we’d want if it was private but I think knowing we all have a fair and equal chance at life, rather than letting those with money decide who lives and doesn’t, makes us more human in the end.

    Just one question to any fellow Canadians reading this, have any of you had a bad experience with our current healthcare system? I ask because those who have complained haven’t given any personal experiences to back up their position while those who refute the claim have given personal experiences themselves.
    Cause the article maybe a rare occurance, I’m sure American hospitals sends patients to Canada too. In ratio to those who do get treated in Canada for critical illness and those who have to travel abroad for it, I think its very very small.

    Lastly, just want to make a point about what The Mayor said, I don’t think Canada has ever claimed to have the best healthcare. We, as Canadians, only joke about the fact that we have it over the Americans, that’s it. I’m pretty sure most Canadians would agree healthcare in Europe is much better, so saying that in your post was untrue and misleading.

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